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Climate Change \u00b7 AI Research \u00b7 Third Pole<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\r\n\r\n\r\n

Notes from a research collaboration testing AI weather and disaster forecasting in Kyrgyzstan’s high-mountain terrain \u2014 heatwaves first, then glacial lake outburst floods.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

May 2025 \u00b7 Aziz Soltobaev \u00b7 KG Labs Foundation<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n\r\n<\/div><\/div>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

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In the Naryn valley, the river color is the signal. Communities upstream of the high-altitude lakes have read it for generations \u2014 when the water turns from blue-grey to brown, something has moved up where the glacier sits behind its moraine wall. The reading is informal and accurate. It is also late. By the time the colour changes, the flood is already coming. The question I brought to a collaboration with the Vector Institute in late 2024 was a simpler version of what those communities already do: could a machine learning model trained on the right inputs read the same signal earlier, and from a greater distance.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

The framing was institutional from the start. I represented KG Labs<\/strong> and the Internet Society Kyrgyz Chapter (ISOC KG)<\/strong>, which I also co-founded. KG Labs led the research design and the analytical framework. ISOC KG contributed sensor network data and field datasets from mountain monitoring stations across the country. The Vector Institute provided the modelling architecture and the research team. BE Node \/ Ba\u015flang\u0131\u00e7 Noktas\u0131<\/a>, a Turkish civic technology organisation represented by Ceren Zeytonoglu Atici as Board Member and co-founder, co-led the project and supported the collaboration from the beginning. Each institution had a distinct role. The overlap was me.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

The gap that made the question worth asking<\/h2>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

The region in question has a name that is not widely used outside glaciology and hydrology: the Pan-Third Pole<\/strong>. It refers to the interconnected high-mountain system that extends from the Hindu Kush and Karakoram through the Pamirs and into the Tien Shan \u2014 covering Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and the southern reaches of Kazakhstan, among other territories. The Third Pole designation comes from the fact that this system holds the largest concentration of glacial ice outside the Arctic and Antarctic. It is the source of river systems that provide water to a significant share of Central Asia’s population. It is also among the least-served regions on earth when it comes to weather forecasting accuracy.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

The problem is structural, not incidental. Almost all AI-based and numerical weather prediction models \u2014 whether from research institutions or operational forecasting centres \u2014 are calibrated for flat terrain. They perform well over plains, coastal regions, and gently rolling landscapes. Once they encounter mountainous terrain, their prediction accuracy drops sharply. Even publicly available AI weather benchmarks document the degradation over mountain zones. The physics of how air, moisture, and temperature interact across rapid elevation changes introduces nonlinearities that standard model architectures struggle to capture at useful resolution.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

The second problem is compute. Traditional numerical weather prediction \u2014 the kind that powers operational forecasting at major European and North American centres \u2014 requires high-performance computing infrastructure with advanced GPUs running continuously. That infrastructure is concentrated where the modelling capacity is. It is not present in Kyrgyzstan. The result is a familiar shape: the models available to the region were not built for its terrain, and the institutions most exposed to mountain weather extremes have the least capacity to run the models that might help.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

The Vector Institute team developed two architectures to test whether a more efficient AI approach could close part of that gap. GEOFORMER<\/strong> is a lightweight spatiotemporal transformer \u2014 designed to learn local patterns in mountain weather data without the computational overhead of large numerical models. The second is a Graph Neural Network<\/strong> encoding spatial relationships at four-kilometre resolution, letting terrain structure become part of what the model learns rather than something it averages away. The researchers \u2014 Yalda Mohsenzadeh, Elham Bagheri, and Joud El-Shawa at Western University and the Vector Institute \u2014 were explicit that both architectures remain open questions. The results in the heatwave context are promising. Whether they transfer to the specific conditions of the Tien Shan and Pamirs is the experiment still running.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

The heatwave pilot was deliberately multi-geography by design. The same model architecture had to be tested against three different climates and three different cascading-disaster patterns: urban heat-island conditions in Canadian cities<\/strong>, where the public-health and energy-system risk dominates; forest conditions in Canada<\/strong>, where the cascading risk is wildfire and the carbon emissions that follow; and high-altitude mountain conditions in Kyrgyzstan<\/strong>, where the cascading risk is glacial melt acceleration, water scarcity, glacial lake outburst floods, and landslides. The premise was that a model architecture worth investing in had to generalise across at least these three contexts before being trusted with any one of them.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Heatwaves follow a seasonal logic \u2014 they are anticipated, even when they arrive ahead of schedule. Glacial lake outburst floods do not. When one fails, it fails fast.<\/p><\/blockquote><\/figure>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

A shift in the question<\/h2>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Midway through the research, the framing changed. The shift came from the terrain itself, in a sense. Heatwaves are difficult, but they have structure \u2014 a seasonal rhythm, a duration, an arrival that forecasters can anticipate even when the models are imprecise. Glacial lake outburst floods are different. In the Pamirs and Tien Shan, hundreds of glacial lakes sit behind moraine dams and ice walls that thin a little more each season. When one fails, the failure is rapid. A flood may reach the valley downstream within hours of a trigger event that was invisible to anyone not watching the right sensor at the right moment.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

The Ministry of Emergency Situations of the Kyrgyz Republic carries this pattern in its incident records. So do the communities in the Naryn valley and around Issyk-Kul who have maintained their own informal early warning systems \u2014 reading water colour, listening for sound from the valley above, watching animal movement \u2014 long before any sensor network existed. The question that emerged from the heatwave work was whether a multi-variable AI model could learn to read the same signals, earlier, and at greater range.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

This is the direction the current team is pursuing. Mojtaba Valipour<\/strong> and Yusuf Aydogdu<\/strong>, engineers at the Vector Institute, are now leading the Third Pole modelling work, with Kyrgyzstan’s mountains as the primary site. The hypotheses involve stacking variables: temperature gradients, precipitation accumulation, soil moisture, snowpack depth, and lake surface reflectance. A glacial lake outburst is not a single indicator. It is an accumulation of conditions converging at a threshold the model needs to learn to recognise before the threshold is reached.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

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Partner dataset<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

The 2018 Catalogue of Glaciers of Kyrgyzstan<\/strong> \u2014 published by the Central Asian Institute of Applied Geosciences (CAIAG) and covering all major river basins using Landsat 8 imagery from 2013\u20132016 \u2014 is the foundational reference dataset for this work. CAIAG is an active partner in the research.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

The institutions that make field research possible<\/h2>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

No AI model for mountain disaster forecasting runs on satellite data alone, and the expertise required to interpret what the data means is not interchangeable. Each partner contributes a different layer of knowledge.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

The Institute of Water Problems<\/strong> under the Academy of Sciences of Kyrgyzstan brings domain expertise in glaciology and hydrology \u2014 the scientific grounding to frame the right questions about what the models are trying to predict. The Tien Shan High Mountain Research Center<\/strong> contributes site-specific expertise at elevations and locations where standard monitoring infrastructure does not exist, helping calibrate where sensor placement and model validation need to happen. Neither institution provides datasets directly to the project; their role is expert guidance and domain knowledge that no remote sensing product can replace.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

The data itself comes from CAIAG and its partners. The Central Asian Institute of Applied Geosciences, working with the GFZ German Research Centre for Geosciences, operates the SDSS (Sensor Data Storage System)<\/strong> \u2014 a shared platform providing satellite-derived and in-situ meteorological station data across Central Asia. This is the observational record from which model training is drawn. CAIAG’s 2018 Catalogue of Glaciers, covering all 22 major river basins using Landsat 8 imagery at 15-metre resolution, establishes the morphometric baseline the model needs to interpret surface reflectance changes as signals rather than noise.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

What the Third Pole reveals about the question itself<\/h2>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

None of what we are doing is unique to Kyrgyzstan. High-altitude communities dealing with glacial lake risk, limited early warning infrastructure, and AI models calibrated for different geographies \u2014 this pattern runs through the Pan-Third Pole, from the Pamirs in Tajikistan through the Tien Shan and across the southern Kazakh ranges. What Kyrgyzstan’s mountains offer is a specific, documented, and now increasingly instrumented version of a problem the region shares.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

The experiment is not whether AI can help. It is whether models built here \u2014 on this data, in this terrain, with these institutional partners \u2014 can later be transferred to similar landscapes without starting from zero. Transfer learning<\/strong> is the technical term for it. The practical question is whether a model trained on the Tien Shan can recognise the same risk signatures in the Pamir Alai, or in a glaciated watershed elsewhere in Central Asia, with minimal retraining.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

That remains open. The mountain does not give up its patterns quickly. What we know so far is that resolution matters, the local data matters, and the institutions that hold the long-term observational record matter more than the model architecture. The architecture is the part we can optimise. The rest took decades to build.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

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Research Partners<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Vector Institute (Canada) \u00b7 BE Node \/ Ba\u015flang\u0131\u00e7 Noktas\u0131<\/a> (Turkey) \u00b7 Central Asian Institute of Applied Geosciences (CAIAG) \u00b7 GFZ German Research Centre for Geosciences \u00b7 Institute of Water Problems, Academy of Sciences of Kyrgyzstan \u00b7 Tien Shan High Mountain Research Center \u00b7 Internet Society Kyrgyz Chapter \u00b7 Ministry of Emergency Situations of the Kyrgyz Republic.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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